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- From: dmoorman@csn.net (David Moorman)
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- Subject: Re: Jack Tramiel
- Date: 17 Apr 1996 06:33:05 GMT
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- Jim Brain (brain@mail.msen.com) wrote:
-
-
- : >much less. People like Jack Tramiel built the computer industry into
- : >what it has become.
-
- : Uh, dunno here. There are many more credible people that shaped the
- : industry. Jack was ruthless... I think he played his part, but there
- : was a cost. he ruined a lot of businesses and people in the process.
-
- : Others put out mediocre products just to make money
-
- : Well, although I love my 64, it has its faults. Some would call the serial
- : bus a mediocre part of the suystems... It was left in due to the cost of
- : redoing it.... And Jack wanted to make bunches of money. Such is why
- : he was in business.
-
- : were simply inferior (the legacy 1525 line...), and many other things
- : stinketh at the company. The rpices were good, I will say that. The
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- And have you noticed that since the price massacre of 1982, NOBODY
- in the state-of-the-art computer world has EVER cut prices -- until
- the machine is a whole digit behind. I expect that JT saw that
- R&D was recouped, so what the hell. Make those other guys sweat
- all through the fall and winter!
-
- But, in fact, no one but CBM (Consistantly Bad Management) ever made
- any money of bottom-price machines. IBM tried. Once. Decided it
- wasn't what THEY wanted to do for a living! I said CBM made money.
- It never showed -- except that a lot of very gold parachute unfurled
- the February after they cut the C64!
-
- Dave
- : product was good which, with the price, was the reason I bought one.
-
- : So, I'll defend the product, but I WILL NOT defend the company. I'll
- : applaud Jack for making computers affordable, but the tales I hear of how
- : he did it border on unethical. I know at least two companies Tramiel
- : personally tried to sink, in order to boost profit and cut costs, and
- : these two firms made parts for CBM, they weren't competitors. Personally,
- : I like my business practices to be a little less questionable.
-
- : So, I suggest everything spend their energies defending and talking up the
- : Commodore products, and leave defending the business to people who have
- : nothing else to do. Fact it, CBM was a business. Jack did some things
- : right, and some he didn't. Such is business, I guess.
-
- : Jim
-
- : --
- : Jim Brain, Embedded System Designer, Brain Innovations, Inc. (BII)(offline sig)
- : brain@mail.msen.com "Above views DO reflect my employer, since I'm my employer"
- : Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, VR, Old CBM computers, and Good Times! -Me-
- : <a href=http://www.msen.com/~brain/>Jim Brain: BII, VR, and CBM info</a>
-